Dialing in estrogen control.
Sup guys, wanted to check in with u fellow gear heads and get some opinions on what I will be doing for my second cycle, my first cycle was a huge success btw gained 30 lbs while dropping bf% at the same time. I'm actually up 40 lbs overall but that's because I went a bit crazy with my diet during and after pct... Regardless, I kept those gains and burning fat is the easy part...
I ran 500 mg teste/week + 600mg eq/week
The problem was that my estrogen went out of control (no blood work but I am confident that this happened)
Mood swings, lethargy, sugar cravings and gyno development...
Obviously the gyno is a major concern...
I want to give you a time table as to what happened how I reacted etc... Along with my plan atm to get some feedback, ty in advance.
Time table and reactions during previous cycle:
Week 2: first started to notice slight irritation in my nips, did nothing at this point
Week 4: it becomes obvious that gyno is certainly setting in. I use the only thing I had available: nolva @ 40 mg per day for the first week and then drop down to 20 mg/ day as I had limited supplies and had to order some more.
Week 6: new supplies arrive rune aromasin(stane) @ 12.5 mg per day
Week 8: I read that running stane + nolva can do wonders for gyno reduction switch to running 12.5 mg stane and 20 mg nolva per day. My gyno shrinks to an all time low. I had existing gyno from puberty btw...
Week 10: increased to 25 mg stane and 20 mg of nolva a day to keep gyno at bay
Week 11: I have to increase to 40 mg of nolva and 50 mg of stane per day to keep gyno at bay... At this point I realize I cannot keep going with these AI so I switch to letro. My first day on letro I did 40 mg nolva 50 mg stane and .625 mg letro.. For the first time in my cycle I get the rumored "testosterone high" where I feel amazing and it seems my hormones are at the right levs
Week 12-15: I continue the cycle and run letro @ 2.5 mg per day. Gyno shrinks even more... I am showing symptoms of low estrogen
Week 16: no more injections but I continue to run letro at 2.5 mg per day
Week 17: I begin pct and use stane to help with estrogen rebound
The end result? My gyno was significantly reduced but over time it has bounced back to the same size it was right when I first started taking the nolva ~week 4. I was hoping the reduction from letro would be permanent but no dice.
What I am thinking now:
Seeing how I seem to aromatise like crazy I am thinking of running letro at .625 mg every other day through out the cycle. If I am having symptoms of high estrogen I will increase the dosage, if symptoms of low estrogen I would cut the dosage back...
Another option would be to decrease test to 250 mg per week. Thing is if I do this I would still run letro but maybe less...
I know this post is kind of a brain dump but what do u guys think? Looking at that previous time line is the problem because I am over dosing test?
What do you think of mg letro dosing plan? I'm leaning towards letro because it will be way cheaper to run it than the other AIs and it seems I have issues with aramotizing at a huge rate.
Thanks in advance, looking forward to gaining over 60 lbs of lean mass in under a year![:)]( ":)")
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Sup guys, wanted to check in with u fellow gear heads and get some opinions on what I will be doing for my second cycle, my first cycle was a huge success btw gained 30 lbs while dropping bf% at the same time. I'm actually up 40 lbs overall but that's because I went a bit crazy with my diet during and after pct... Regardless, I kept those gains and burning fat is the easy part...
I ran 500 mg teste/week + 600mg eq/week
The problem was that my estrogen went out of control (no blood work but I am confident that this happened)
Mood swings, lethargy, sugar cravings and gyno development...
Obviously the gyno is a major concern...
I want to give you a time table as to what happened how I reacted etc... Along with my plan atm to get some feedback, ty in advance.
Time table and reactions during previous cycle:
Week 2: first started to notice slight irritation in my nips, did nothing at this point
Week 4: it becomes obvious that gyno is certainly setting in. I use the only thing I had available: nolva @ 40 mg per day for the first week and then drop down to 20 mg/ day as I had limited supplies and had to order some more.
Week 6: new supplies arrive rune aromasin(stane) @ 12.5 mg per day
Week 8: I read that running stane + nolva can do wonders for gyno reduction switch to running 12.5 mg stane and 20 mg nolva per day. My gyno shrinks to an all time low. I had existing gyno from puberty btw...
Week 10: increased to 25 mg stane and 20 mg of nolva a day to keep gyno at bay
Week 11: I have to increase to 40 mg of nolva and 50 mg of stane per day to keep gyno at bay... At this point I realize I cannot keep going with these AI so I switch to letro. My first day on letro I did 40 mg nolva 50 mg stane and .625 mg letro.. For the first time in my cycle I get the rumored "testosterone high" where I feel amazing and it seems my hormones are at the right levs
Week 12-15: I continue the cycle and run letro @ 2.5 mg per day. Gyno shrinks even more... I am showing symptoms of low estrogen
Week 16: no more injections but I continue to run letro at 2.5 mg per day
Week 17: I begin pct and use stane to help with estrogen rebound
The end result? My gyno was significantly reduced but over time it has bounced back to the same size it was right when I first started taking the nolva ~week 4. I was hoping the reduction from letro would be permanent but no dice.
What I am thinking now:
Seeing how I seem to aromatise like crazy I am thinking of running letro at .625 mg every other day through out the cycle. If I am having symptoms of high estrogen I will increase the dosage, if symptoms of low estrogen I would cut the dosage back...
Another option would be to decrease test to 250 mg per week. Thing is if I do this I would still run letro but maybe less...
I know this post is kind of a brain dump but what do u guys think? Looking at that previous time line is the problem because I am over dosing test?
What do you think of mg letro dosing plan? I'm leaning towards letro because it will be way cheaper to run it than the other AIs and it seems I have issues with aramotizing at a huge rate.
Thanks in advance, looking forward to gaining over 60 lbs of lean mass in under a year
